Comments on: I am disturbed by the attempt to silence Renegade Evolution

By: Sam Berg, Ren Ev, And The Chickenshit Tactics of a APRF Chickenhawk | The SmackDog Chronicles (Ver. 2.5)

Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:14:48 +0000

[...] (4-18-08): One of the organizers of the William & Mary debate posted a comment over at Natalia Antonova’s blog a clarification of Ren Ev’s [...]

By: belledame222

belledame222 — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:24:04 +0000

Because nothing says “professional” like pulling a diva tantrum and going “fine then, if I can’t get my way, SCREW YOU GUYS, I’M STAYING HOME.”

By: Natalia Antonova

Natalia Antonova — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:08:00 +0000

You know, we all have to take responsibility for the things we say, and we all act like asshats every once in a while. But some people get clean away with that sort of thing – and others will be painted as somehow “tainted” by their own humanity.

We notice this over and over again – “Why are the women of colour being so meeeeean?” “Why are you an angry stripper?! You must be a dangerous psychopath!” “It’s OK to be trans… as long as you don’t demand basic rights n’ stuff.”

Hmmm.

By: Ravenmn

Ravenmn — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:01:14 +0000

Hi Constance,

I just want to give you lots of credit for taking the time to set this debate up. Good luck with your classes!

Ravenmn

By: belledame222

belledame222 — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:28:08 +0000

o, Lisa reminded me, I’d forgotten about -this- little gem:

http://wweek.com/editorial/3330/9054/#c58109

“women smiling while hanging upside down from a pole like a painted negro in a minstrel show dancing for peanuts”

“disposable dick accessories”

she’s got quite the way with words herself, does our Sam.

and of course the stripper herself told her where she could get off:

“I didn’t realise my voice was going to be available too, but for the record I don’t care. And FOR THE RECORD, I worked with S.M. Berg in the SWOC committee almost two years ago and she eventually left the group in a huff because no one (no one and I’ll refer you to other members) could take her laughable rants on (serious, admittedly) subjects such as trafficking and child exploitation seriously. She dragged the entire group off coure. I saved emails from her to remind myself of why exactly I’m becoming a public health advocate for sex workers. If it’s the same Sam Berg of course.”

but hey, the important thing is, Sam is a -professional- and a defender of all women.

By: belledame222

belledame222 — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:07:12 +0000

oh yeah, and witchy, as we recall, also thinks that RE shouldn’t be allowed to volunteer for a womens’ shelter, because, you know, she’s a stripper, and abused women (who never include strippers, of course, at least not ones who don’t agree with w-w’s take on it and humbly agree to get out of that man-pleasing institution right now) don’t need that kind of selfish “help” from anyone, even if she never actually talked about her job to anyone, (much less the women and children) until the director asked her point blank what she did for a living and she told her.

also, transwomen shouldn’t be allowed to work womens’ crisis hotlines, because they sound like “camp queens”–sorry, that was stormy, but it’s not as though w-w or anyone protested or anything–and that might traumatize real women.

lovely people, all around, really; and no, of course the attempt to get Ren booted from this panel is in no way related to simple “ew cooties” bigotry, is in fact about actual fear for Sam’s safety.

ffs.

By: belledame222

belledame222 — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:02:46 +0000

p.s. thanks for doing the work in the first place, Constance, and good luck with your classes, whatever happens.

By: belledame222

belledame222 — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:00:49 +0000

So, are we now positive this is witchy?

I’m just sort of amazed that these people accomplish anything in the real world. stupid -and- hateful, it’s a winning combination.

oh noez I just said something unprofessional, how will I ever manage.

By: Lisa Harney

Lisa Harney — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:15:57 +0000

Oh, like I’m taking her seriously after someone who was most likely her trolled my blog last night – never mind that trainwreck she hosted a few weeks ago about how cisgender erases her femaleness.

I was just impressed by how far she had to contort herself to reach for that excuse to justify asking Ren to leave.

By: Natalia Antonova

Natalia Antonova — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:55:17 +0000

Witchy unabashedly trolls Ren’s website, then proceeds to take the position of being so above it all.

I refuse to take her seriously on this.