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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Converting on Paper&#8221;: Faith vs. Warm Bodies</title>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/06/22/converting-on-paper-faith-vs-warm-bodies/#comment-21367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[20 some years ago I was engaged to a Greek man. He said, &#039;but of course you will have to convert to Greek Orthodox&#039; (I think he only ever went to church on Easter anyway) And I thought, no, no I won&#039;t. I was christened as a catholic and if I was going to be converting to anything it would be to agnosticism! lol So, needless to say, we ended up calling it off, I wouldn&#039;t say that religion really had anything to do with it. But I certainly was never going to be a hypocrite and pretend to be something that I was not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20 some years ago I was engaged to a Greek man. He said, &#8216;but of course you will have to convert to Greek Orthodox&#8217; (I think he only ever went to church on Easter anyway) And I thought, no, no I won&#8217;t. I was christened as a catholic and if I was going to be converting to anything it would be to agnosticism! lol So, needless to say, we ended up calling it off, I wouldn&#8217;t say that religion really had anything to do with it. But I certainly was never going to be a hypocrite and pretend to be something that I was not.</p>
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		<title>By: Converting on paper &#171; The Apostate</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/06/22/converting-on-paper-faith-vs-warm-bodies/#comment-21359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Converting on paper &#171; The Apostate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on&#160;paper  Posted on July 3, 2009 by apostate   Natalia wrote about people&#8217;s conversion &#8220;on paper&#8221; to a particular religion in deference to community wishes, usually in the case of interfaith [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on&nbsp;paper  Posted on July 3, 2009 by apostate   Natalia wrote about people&#8217;s conversion &#8220;on paper&#8221; to a particular religion in deference to community wishes, usually in the case of interfaith [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia Antonova</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/06/22/converting-on-paper-faith-vs-warm-bodies/#comment-21331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natalia Antonova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, you should come to the former USSR sometime. We have them by the buttload (and thank God for small favours, because many people have taken to a reactionary Christianity since the Fall).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you should come to the former USSR sometime. We have them by the buttload (and thank God for small favours, because many people have taken to a reactionary Christianity since the Fall).</p>
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		<title>By: apostate</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/06/22/converting-on-paper-faith-vs-warm-bodies/#comment-21329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[apostate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are militant agnostics? Wonders never cease.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are militant agnostics? Wonders never cease.</p>
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		<title>By: Dw3t-Hthr</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/06/22/converting-on-paper-faith-vs-warm-bodies/#comment-21257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dw3t-Hthr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ramble I have in my head on culture and religion is probably sideways of topic, so I&#039;ll spare you. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ramble I have in my head on culture and religion is probably sideways of topic, so I&#8217;ll spare you. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Noli Irritare Leones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Favorite Actor on Joel&#8217;s Favorite TV Show, and other links</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/06/22/converting-on-paper-faith-vs-warm-bodies/#comment-21251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noli Irritare Leones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Favorite Actor on Joel&#8217;s Favorite TV Show, and other links]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Antonova on “Converting on Paper”: Faith vs. Warm Bodies.  This post on Muslimah Media Watch caught my eye, because it reminded me of one of my favourite [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Antonova on “Converting on Paper”: Faith vs. Warm Bodies.  This post on Muslimah Media Watch caught my eye, because it reminded me of one of my favourite [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Omar K.</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/06/22/converting-on-paper-faith-vs-warm-bodies/#comment-21243</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Omar K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post reminded me of the couple I knew in the States, who met and married in the early 80s. She was Muslim and he was Jewish. If I remember correctly, they had twins and one of the girls is a hijab-wearing Muslimah (the mother doesn&#039;t cover) while the other turned out to be a militant agnostic. It&#039;s true what you say about leading a horse to water. 

I don&#039;t know how I will feel if my daughter grows up to want to marry a non-Muslim man but I can&#039;t imagine loving her less, or that this act will make her be &quot;outside Islam.&quot; I think that people worry so much about the outside markers that they forget the faith that you mention here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post reminded me of the couple I knew in the States, who met and married in the early 80s. She was Muslim and he was Jewish. If I remember correctly, they had twins and one of the girls is a hijab-wearing Muslimah (the mother doesn&#8217;t cover) while the other turned out to be a militant agnostic. It&#8217;s true what you say about leading a horse to water. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how I will feel if my daughter grows up to want to marry a non-Muslim man but I can&#8217;t imagine loving her less, or that this act will make her be &#8220;outside Islam.&#8221; I think that people worry so much about the outside markers that they forget the faith that you mention here.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia Antonova</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/06/22/converting-on-paper-faith-vs-warm-bodies/#comment-21241</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natalia Antonova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry if I made it seem as though I make a distinction between &quot;real&quot; Muslims (Christians, Jews, Jedi Knights, etc.) and &quot;cultural&quot; Muslims (Christians, Jews, Jedi Knights, etc.). 

I think that some people like to put on airs and graces, but I believe that it essentially boils down to the fact that the definition of a an adherent of a particular religion can be arbitrary at best. I wish that more people would admit the extent to which culture, not faith, plays a big part in their lives. 

And how religion is one big conundrum anyway, and following it doesn&#039;t always mean what you think it means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I made it seem as though I make a distinction between &#8220;real&#8221; Muslims (Christians, Jews, Jedi Knights, etc.) and &#8220;cultural&#8221; Muslims (Christians, Jews, Jedi Knights, etc.). </p>
<p>I think that some people like to put on airs and graces, but I believe that it essentially boils down to the fact that the definition of a an adherent of a particular religion can be arbitrary at best. I wish that more people would admit the extent to which culture, not faith, plays a big part in their lives. </p>
<p>And how religion is one big conundrum anyway, and following it doesn&#8217;t always mean what you think it means.</p>
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		<title>By: rawi</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/06/22/converting-on-paper-faith-vs-warm-bodies/#comment-21240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rawi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are several complex issues here, including no less than the definition of religion itself. What we understand as religion today is a modern, post-secular phenomenon. Even the questions we raise about in/sincerity of faith probably would&#039;ve made little sense in pre-modern society. The same could be true of the claim that &quot;many people are religious only nominally, or culturally&quot; -- of course, you are right and I totally agree, but such a statement also has the pitfall of reinforcing certain modes of being (more) religious as (more) legitimate.

Anyways, I guess what I&#039;m saying is that conversion for marriage need not be a negative thing. It&#039;s almost like someone becoming American thanks to marriage. Of course, in my earlier &quot;more-religious&quot; days I used to think this kind of fake conversion is ridiculous. Like when Jemima became Muslim for the Pakistani cricketeer Imran Khan (probably one of the bigger South Asian celebrity weddings when I was in high school). But now I feel that people&#039;s ways of becoming/being are probably more complex than we ourselves realize, and simple labels like &quot;fake&quot; don&#039;t do justice.

But of course, not being allowed to marry someone for their religious/etc identity, now that&#039;s a whole other debate...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several complex issues here, including no less than the definition of religion itself. What we understand as religion today is a modern, post-secular phenomenon. Even the questions we raise about in/sincerity of faith probably would&#8217;ve made little sense in pre-modern society. The same could be true of the claim that &#8220;many people are religious only nominally, or culturally&#8221; &#8212; of course, you are right and I totally agree, but such a statement also has the pitfall of reinforcing certain modes of being (more) religious as (more) legitimate.</p>
<p>Anyways, I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that conversion for marriage need not be a negative thing. It&#8217;s almost like someone becoming American thanks to marriage. Of course, in my earlier &#8220;more-religious&#8221; days I used to think this kind of fake conversion is ridiculous. Like when Jemima became Muslim for the Pakistani cricketeer Imran Khan (probably one of the bigger South Asian celebrity weddings when I was in high school). But now I feel that people&#8217;s ways of becoming/being are probably more complex than we ourselves realize, and simple labels like &#8220;fake&#8221; don&#8217;t do justice.</p>
<p>But of course, not being allowed to marry someone for their religious/etc identity, now that&#8217;s a whole other debate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen this happen several times and I&#039;m still baffled by the absurdity of it.  In every case that I have witnessed, it has nothing to do with the religion itself, and everything to do with what the community will think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen this happen several times and I&#8217;m still baffled by the absurdity of it.  In every case that I have witnessed, it has nothing to do with the religion itself, and everything to do with what the community will think.</p>
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