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	<title>Comments on: No, joyless fundamentalism isn&#8217;t an awesome way to cure my depression, but thanks for playing</title>
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	<description>The sky is high. The Czar is far.</description>
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		<title>By: Religious Groups and Mental Illness &#124; God Discussion</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/11/05/no-joyless-fundamentalism-isnt-an-awesome-way-to-cure-my-depression-but-thanks-for-playing/#comment-25298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Religious Groups and Mental Illness &#124; God Discussion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 04:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and further googling lead me to someone’s blog who stated they were Russian Orthodox and “Joyless Fundamentalism isn’t an Awesome Way to Cure My Depression”. The person is right. Faith Based treatment does not cure anything. 1. Gifted people get [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and further googling lead me to someone’s blog who stated they were Russian Orthodox and “Joyless Fundamentalism isn’t an Awesome Way to Cure My Depression”. The person is right. Faith Based treatment does not cure anything. 1. Gifted people get [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WordsOfAFeather</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/11/05/no-joyless-fundamentalism-isnt-an-awesome-way-to-cure-my-depression-but-thanks-for-playing/#comment-22292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WordsOfAFeather]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kick ass link, I remember that part when he was pretending to be human. Perfection.

&quot;There’s a reason why you’re you, and not the guy who sells you your cigarettes at the kiosk. &quot;

This other person that none of us has met is insignificant. Who you are today is who you should remain to be. Mainly because its awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kick ass link, I remember that part when he was pretending to be human. Perfection.</p>
<p>&#8220;There’s a reason why you’re you, and not the guy who sells you your cigarettes at the kiosk. &#8221;</p>
<p>This other person that none of us has met is insignificant. Who you are today is who you should remain to be. Mainly because its awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: magpie_seven</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s actually an interesting new perspective arising in some areas of research about depression- that rather than &quot;intelligent people are prone to depression because they are so clever&quot;, more &quot;people with depression are more likely to be intelligent, because being prone to depression means your brain is wired in a different way&quot;. It&#039;s an interesting idea- that a propensity towards depression is not a side effect of intelligence, but in some ways a cause of it, and that a tendency to depresison should not be looked at as a condition to be cured, but more as a perfectly valid neuro arrangement which just requires better upkeep than the neurotypical brain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s actually an interesting new perspective arising in some areas of research about depression- that rather than &#8220;intelligent people are prone to depression because they are so clever&#8221;, more &#8220;people with depression are more likely to be intelligent, because being prone to depression means your brain is wired in a different way&#8221;. It&#8217;s an interesting idea- that a propensity towards depression is not a side effect of intelligence, but in some ways a cause of it, and that a tendency to depresison should not be looked at as a condition to be cured, but more as a perfectly valid neuro arrangement which just requires better upkeep than the neurotypical brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia Antonova</title>
		<link>http://nataliaantonova.com/2009/11/05/no-joyless-fundamentalism-isnt-an-awesome-way-to-cure-my-depression-but-thanks-for-playing/#comment-22288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natalia Antonova]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hahahaha! I&#039;d forgotten all about Van Douche! 

&lt;blockquote&gt;a tall glass of “shut up and stop asking questions”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re so much cleverer than I. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahaha! I&#8217;d forgotten all about Van Douche! </p>
<blockquote><p>a tall glass of “shut up and stop asking questions”.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re so much cleverer than I. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It strikes me that the appeal of fundamentalism is the ability to pour yourself a tall glass of &quot;shut up and stop asking questions&quot;.  I guess some people like the taste.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It strikes me that the appeal of fundamentalism is the ability to pour yourself a tall glass of &#8220;shut up and stop asking questions&#8221;.  I guess some people like the taste.</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[belledame222]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you sure this person wasn&#039;t Van Douche?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure this person wasn&#8217;t Van Douche?</p>
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		<title>By: Poeschl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Poeschl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You can&#039;t change who you are.  What matters is what you actually do with who you are.&quot;

Your second sentence is absolutely brilliant.

Your first sentence is a little troubling.  If, by &quot;who you are,&quot; you mean how you define yourself at any given moment -- well, you actually can change how you define yourself.  That&#039;s partly what growing up is all about -- i.e., in growing up, you learn how to intelligently set your own boundaries and how to intelligently change how you perceive yourself.   It&#039;s the work of a lifetime, to be sure.

It strikes me that the phase &quot;You can&#039;t change who you are&quot; implies a personal feeling of absolute  powerlessness which is not always justified.  At least in certain environments, able-bodied, able-minded men and women are not always absolutely powerless.   I would say that one goal would be to create environments where people can test their limits and maybe even extend those limits.

I could also add a few words about how male-dominated authoritarian religions (e.g.,  evangelical/fundamentalist Protestantism) deliberately try to identify and convert women who feel absolutely powerless, but I&#039;ll stop here.  Your own post already makes that point eloquently.

Congratulations on a great essay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can&#8217;t change who you are.  What matters is what you actually do with who you are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your second sentence is absolutely brilliant.</p>
<p>Your first sentence is a little troubling.  If, by &#8220;who you are,&#8221; you mean how you define yourself at any given moment &#8212; well, you actually can change how you define yourself.  That&#8217;s partly what growing up is all about &#8212; i.e., in growing up, you learn how to intelligently set your own boundaries and how to intelligently change how you perceive yourself.   It&#8217;s the work of a lifetime, to be sure.</p>
<p>It strikes me that the phase &#8220;You can&#8217;t change who you are&#8221; implies a personal feeling of absolute  powerlessness which is not always justified.  At least in certain environments, able-bodied, able-minded men and women are not always absolutely powerless.   I would say that one goal would be to create environments where people can test their limits and maybe even extend those limits.</p>
<p>I could also add a few words about how male-dominated authoritarian religions (e.g.,  evangelical/fundamentalist Protestantism) deliberately try to identify and convert women who feel absolutely powerless, but I&#8217;ll stop here.  Your own post already makes that point eloquently.</p>
<p>Congratulations on a great essay.</p>
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