Things I Learned Via the Amanda Marcotte Debacle

1. Bill Donohue has a thing for “silencing” women (Amanda Marcotte wouldn’t be the first one, oh no). Gag fetish, maybe?

2. Certain Evangelical Christians are only big on this whole “love” concept when it’s convenient; otherwise they call you a “worthless hag,” “stupid bitch,” and “racist whore.” Then they tell you that you ought to be raped.

3. I will never, ever go into any sort of actual work on any political campaign. I still might have to close off my original teenage wasteland-style blog. People will gleefully tear you apart any day of the week – but I’d rather not have that done to me over politics.

29 thoughts on “Things I Learned Via the Amanda Marcotte Debacle

  1. Don’t let those idiots intimidate you. Free speech is not about being careful for your future’s sake, it’s about saying what you think and letting that affect anyone who hears/reads it.

    Censorship by intimidation is no better than censorship by law.

  2. Poor Marcotte. Silenced in the prime of life. I’m not going to bother asking how you would feel toward a candidate who hired, as a spokesperson at that, someone who spewed such hateful and deliberately injurious remarks towards a group you approve of because I know you by now to be a hypocrite. But I’m willing to experiment at your website, if you like, to test your willingness to see that such silencing does not occur on your watch.
    I’m disappointed to see how you feel about Christians, Natalia. I thought you at least paid lip service to treating others with respect.

  3. PS
    I’m also curious Natalia why you didn’t identify the “Certain Evangelical Christians” who said Marcotte should be raped (along with the other remarks). I’m betting you don’t have any idea who posted such remarks. You see, I would be suspicious of such an ugly remark’s source, especially when Marcotte is searching for a a way to play victim and the remarks play into her hands. Likewise, if I read an ugly remark from an anonymous web source, I would not comment on it as “Now we know what NOW supporters think about blacks and Jews.
    Different standards for you?

  4. Um, who said I approved of Marcotte’s style?

    Oh wait, I’m not supposed to be feeding the troll.

    Don’t feed the troll! Anyone who feeds the troll will get spanked! Do as I SAY!

  5. The Marcotte team sure knows how t0 take care of her trolls:

    “Natalia, I don’t think anybody cares if you’re a rape victim and you toe the party line when it comes to “But what about the menz!”

    I guess you took your medicine well. Feminists don’t care about the truth, or about justice or about others (especially young snork bait girls). It’s all about the perks of being the oppressor.

    You’ll do fine, Natalia.

  6. Marcotte hates anyone and everyone who does not agree with her Liberal extremist philosophy. But for some reason, John Edwards hired Marcotte as one of his official bloggers. Now, either he didn’t take the time to read Amanda’s material … or he chose to ignore it. For starters, Marcotte had the audacity to ask what would happen if Mary had taken Plan B after she conceived the Son of God, making a vulgar reference to the Holy Spirit. Her answer? “You’d have to justify your misogyny with another ancient mythology.” In other words, Christians have a “hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women,” which is what the word misogyny means.

    1.) I happen to BE A WOMAN, who just happens to belong to the Christian faith. I certainly do not have a “hatred, dislike, or mistrust” of myself.

    2.) I have not found myself disrespected or looked down upon by my Christian brothers because I am a woman. Rather, they treat me with respect, dignity, kindness and love. They look out for me because I am their sister and friend, and they care for me. Perhaps Miss Marcotte should actually TALK to REAL Christians and get to know us, before she makes assumptions about us.

    3.) The Christian faith promotes the love, respect and dignity of women. While the Bible makes it clear that women have different roles than men (we were designed to be men’s helpers, friends, lovers, partners, and companions), we stand on equal ground with them. Our office is not inferior to that of men. It is merely different. We serve different functions than men do. The roles that we were intended to fill are not things that we should be ashamed of. Rather, we should embrace those roles and fulfill them. A wife is to submit to her husband for the sake of honoring him and demonstrating her love for him. Quite frankly, I think that the man who works hard to put a roof over the wife’s head, clothes on her back, and food in her belly should not have to deal with a cranky, aggressive, overbearing, pushy, “I am woman! Hear me roar!” wife. I know that’s an unpopular statement, given the popularity of the feminist movement. But hey! This is America. At least I’m not pulling an “Amanda Marcotte” stunt. Quite frankly, before Amanda continues to rant and rave about how women are supposedly treated by those who belong to the Christian faith, perhaps she should actually know what she is talking about. If she can’t be bothered to read the Bible, then she should at least talk to a Christian who knows the Word of God. Unfortunately, unless a Divine miracle takes place, I don’t see that happening in the future.

    Marcotte also accused Pope Benedict of being a dictator (“a person exercising absolute power”), who wants to consign (“hand over or deliver formally or unofficially; commit”) unbaptized babies to the fires of Hell. Now, don’t get me wrong. I have strong views when it comes to Catholic doctrine. I believe many of the Catholic Church’s doctrines, including the one that discusses infant baptism, come directly from Satan himself. But for Marcotte to accuse Pope Benedict of wanting to consign unborn babies to Hell is going too far.

    By the way, isn’t it true that Marcotte is an advocate of a woman’s right to “choose”? In other words, is it true that she has no problem with a woman choosing to have her baby MURDERED? If that’s the case, I find it HYPOCRITICAL of her to rant and rave about a man supposedly wanting to consign an unborn baby to Hell. Quite frankly, she doesn’t seem to care about the welfare of unborn babies in the first place. If she did, she wouldn’t be fighting for women’s so-called “right” to murder those unborn children.

    Murder, as defined by the law, is, “the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, CHARACTERIZED BY DELIBERATION OR PREMEDITATION or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder.)” Another definition of murder is, “TO KILL OR SLAUGHTER INHUMANELY OR BARBAROUSLY.” So I think it’s very safe to say that abortion is the murder of a living, breathing, innocent human child. Quite frankly, if the child is not alive, it will not grow inside the womb and exhibit other signs of life. And if it isn’t a human being … then what is it? An oyster? A horse? A bird?

    Edwards issued a statement that was void of logic and truth, in reference to the comments made by Marcotte and her feminist friend, Melissa McEwan. (By the way, McEwan referred to President Bush’s supporters as a “wingnut Christofascist base” before she was hired by Edwards). In his statement, Edwards claimed, “They both said it was never their intention to malign anyone’s faith, and I take them at their word.”

    Is he kidding me?! He cannot logically believe that people who call Christians “Christofascists” and blaspheme God Himself did not intend to malign the Christian faith! But wait! It gets better. Edwards opted not to fire Marcotte and McEwan. Rather, he kept them on and insisted that his campaign shouldn’t be “hijacked.” Whether he admits it or not, this decision further maligned the Christian faith and the precious and holy name of my Lord and Savior. Not only that, but I’m surprised Edwards himself wasn’t offended by these women’s remarks, seeing as he is a professing Christian. As a professing Christian, he should have been the FIRST to demand that Marcotte and McEwan leave his campaign. He should have been more concerned about protecting the honor and dignity of God, than giving these two spiteful, hateful women a “fair shake.” By allowing McEwan and Marcotte to continue to work for him, despite the fact that they disrespect God on a regular basis and without shame, means that he was enabling them to continue to do what they do best: put down God and His people, all for the sake of exalting themselves and their extremist liberal agendas.

    Fortunately, Marcotte chose to quit the Edwards campaign. However, she is reportedly still drawing a salary as an internet coordinator. And she did not choose to go down quietly, either. She wrote another blog post that mocked the virgin birth and trashed those who disagree with her, playing the “wounded, innocent lamb.” One day after Marcotte left the Edwards campaign, McEwan followed suit, issuing this statement on her personal blog, Shakespeare’s Sister: “This was a decision I made, with the campaign’s reluctant support, BECAUSE MY REMAINING THE FOCUS OF SUSTAINED IDEOLOGICAL ATTACKS was inevitably making me a liability to the campaign.” So apparently, Amanda and Melissa can dish it out, but they can’t take it! They’re willing to trash other people, but they’re unwilling and unprepared to face the consequences of their actions. Quite frankly, this has nothing to do with ideology, and everything to do with human decency.

    I tracked down three Scriptures that talk about people like Marcotte and McEwan, and the consequences that they will inevitably face. Read on!

    PSALM 14-16 – Behold, the wicked brings forth iniquity; yes, he conceives trouble and brings forth falsehood. He made a pit and dug it out, and has fallen into the ditch which he made. His trouble shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down on his own crown.

    JOB 4:8 – Even as I have seen, those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same.

    GALATIANS 6:7-8 – Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

    Amanda and Melissa brought forth iniquity (“gross injustice or wickedness; a violation of right or duty; wicked act; sin”), conceiving trouble and bringing forth falsehood. They made a pit for themselves and dug it out when they lashed out at God and those who believe in Him. Now, they have fallen into their own ditch (which is another word for “trap”), and the trouble and wrong-doing they brought forth is falling down upon their own heads. They are, in other words, reaping what they sowed.

    It simply amazes me that Amanda and Melissa would attempt to play martyrs and insist that this is a conspiracy cooked up by Conservatives. They simply cannot see, or admit to the fact, that they brought this upon themselves. They CHOSE to insult God and those who believe in Him; Amanda CHOSE to commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit; Amanda CHOSE to suggest that Mary should have taken an abortion pill when she conceived Jesus Christ; and they are the ones who CHOSE to resign. That’s right! They CHOSE to resign. They weren’t forced into it. No one held a gun to their heads and threatened to end their lives unless they resigned. In fact, John Edwards was more than willing to allow them to continue to work on his campaign. Why, I have no idea. I mean, these women are pure poison as far as his reputation is concerned. Why he would want to keep them around is beyond me. But in any case, Amanda and Melissa made the decision to resign, and they have NO RIGHT to play the wounded, innocent lambs. Because let’s face it! They ain’t innocent!

    Not only that, but Amanda had the audacity continue to bash those she offended … after she offered what I laughingly refer to as an apology! That was not an apology, because apologies involve sincerity, taking responsibility for one’s actions, and avoiding repeating those actions that offended people in the first place. She was not sincere, she certainly has not taken responsibility for what she said, and she most definitely has no desire to avoid repeating the very thing that got her in hot water in the first place.

    Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that we should not forgive these women. Jesus Christ Himself commands that we forgive Amanda and Melissa and love them. If we love Him, and if we desire to be forgiven by God, then we should forgive and love these women. However, I am saying that a person must face the consequences of their actions. And Amanda and Melissa are currently facing those consequences. If they have ANY integrity in their hearts, they will take responsibility for their actions and offer real, SINCERE apologies … to Christians and, more importantly, to God.

    Which brings me to my second point. I am amazed that the Catholic Church has apparently overlooked the fact that Amanda and Melissa didn’t just insult Christians and Mary; they also insulted God Himself. And that, my friends, is a much more important matter. I fear that Amanda’s vulgar comment about the Holy Spirit’s role in the conception of Jesus Christ falls under the category of unforgivable sin.

    MARK 3:28-29 – “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter, but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”

    I will continue to pray for Amanda and Melissa, and I ask those of you who belong to the Christian faith to join me.

  7. Well done for finding bits of writing in a book that may vaguely pertain to a current situation. I’m sure I could find passages in, I don’t know, Jurassic Park, that ‘talk about people like Marcotte and McEwan’. They’d have just as much connection to real life as the ones from the bible.

    Grow up. Some dudes wrote a book a couple of thousand years ago and you believe its the words of a higher power. Just because your particular cult is rather big doesn’t mean its beliefs make any sense.

  8. ***should not have to deal with a cranky, aggressive, overbearing, pushy, “I am woman! Hear me roar!” wife.***

    Well, I’m more of a “I am woman! Hear me moan!” gal myself…

  9. In the ever-so-profound words of Homer Simpson … DOH!!!

    Sometime after posting my thoughts about the John Edwards scandal, I realized that I had accidentally used the wrong word in reference to Amanda’s accusation against Pope Benedict. I said that she had said that Pope Benedict wants to consign unborn babies to hell. But what I meant was that she had accused Benedict of wanting to consign UNBAPTIZED babies to hell. My bad! I either need to get glasses, or I need to start paying attention or at least reviewing what I’ve written before I post it.

    Thankfully, I was able to edit my thoughts about the Edwards scandal on my online diary. That’s something, at least.

    Still, I’m embarrassed. (Blushes furiously)

    My position on Amanda’s hypocrisy still stands, however. For her to imply that she cares about a person’s beliefs about where an unbaptized baby ends up after it dies, and yet promote her belief that a woman has the “right” to murder her unborn child, is hypocritical. I figure that any person who cares about a child who is outside the womb, should care about a child who has yet to be born.

    By the way, Jack … why am I supposedly a bigot? Is it because I’m a Christian, and you’ve decided that all Christians are bigots? If that’s the case, doesn’t that make YOU a bigot?

    In other words, before you accuse someone of being a bigot, state your reasons. Otherwise, you are just blowing hot air and acting like a troll.

  10. “Christofascist”=! “Christian.” it means, those people who’d really really like to turn us back into a theocracy, aka party like it’s 1629. p.s. guess what: -if- they ever get their way, Catholics in this country aren’t gonna have such a hot time of it either, once they’re done dealing with the nice juicier targets (you know, evil homosexuals and pagans and sluts and all those other people who’re responsible for the downfall of everyone). but, feel free to keep thinking of the likes of Pat Robertson and all the Bob Jones alumni who’ve headed politely into politics as your goodbuddies. hey, us Jews are some of their best friends, too, except when we step out of line.

  11. as per insulting God Himself; y’know, it’s funny, but me, I was always raised with the belief that generally speaking, the more powerful among us can stand up to -more- criticism; what’s creepy is picking on the weak.

    isn’t an or rather The omnipotent Deity sort of y’know above such pettiness as getting all offended by His Creation? seeing as how He’s perfect and all? wouldn’t you think He’d be secure enough in His Godhood to not get freaked out by the slings and arrows of a bunch of mortals whom He can consign to the fiery pit anyway? i admit i’ve never really understood how that one is supposed to work, it’s true.

  12. >For her to imply that she cares about a person’s beliefs about where an unbaptized baby ends up after it dies, and yet promote her belief that a woman has the “right” to murder her unborn child, is hypocritical.>

    One of these things is not like the other.

    It’s a -belief.- You have a belief that abortion is tantamount to murder; Amanda does not. You may not agree with that belief, but her acting in accordance with that belief does not make her a hypocrite.

    If you want to argue that she’s not terribly respectful of other peoples’ feelings, you won’t get an argument from me. But what you’re suggesting here feels a bit like it’s on the way to “bad person, believes in murder; therefore she has no right to complain about any treatment she’s received.”

  13. Natalia, I think you meant to say I’m a gotbi, a hypothetical bacteria from Mars.

    Rann 9:14: “the great Martian bacteria, gotbi, is henceforth commanded to be silly”

  14. Jack, I apologize for thinking that you were referring to ME as a bigot. I didn’t realize that you were addressing Rann. It’s just that I’ve pretty much come to expect people to immediately label me a “bigot” whenever I express my Christian beliefs. So when I saw you say, “Oh no, now you done gone all bigoted and stuff,” I immediately thought that you were referring to me.

    By the way, I don’t appreciate this comment from you – “Jack 7:1 “Verily, I say to you, pontificating Bible-thumpers find reading a chore.” Just because I didn’t realize that you were referring to Rann, didn’t mean that I “find reading a chore.”

  15. Actually, I have a lot of respect for quite a few Christians. For example, the brave souls of Christian Peacemaker Teams, who spend time doing real non-violent peace making work in Palestine, Iraq and many other places ( Or those Christians who stand up against capital punishment because they believe that only their god has a right to decree life or death over people. There are many more.

    The people I cannot stand are those who impose their beliefs on others who don’t share them, especially those who believe that governments should enact rules that correspond with their particular sectarian beliefs, like rules on abortion, sexuality and so on. Feel free to do what you like with your own body and your own community, but don’t you dare to try to dictate your rules to others who don’t share them. That is the essence of bigotry and discrimination.

  16. BELLEDAME222 – First, let me make it clear that God does not NEED anything from us, or from anyone else. What He WANTS from us, however, is our friendship, love, loyalty, worship, trust and respect.

    Secondly, when a Christian defends the honor of God, it is done because he or she loves the Lord. It’s the same as if someone offended the one YOU love. You long to defend the person you love, whether or not he or she can defend himself or herself. You long to defend this person, because you care about them. That’s how a Christian feels every time someone disrespects the Lord. To you, He’s just God. But to Christians, He is our Friend, our Confidant, our Savior, our Redeemer, our Comforter, and our Protector. Not only that, He is our Daddy – our “Abba, Father.” So when someone disrespects Him, it hurts us on a deep level, because He loves us and we love Him in return. And one of the ways we show respect and love for our Abba is by defending His character and His honor.

    Thirdly, just because God is all-powerful, does not mean He doesn’t have feelings. You apparently think that He is a big, mean, powerful bully who has no feelings and who wants to make every one’s life miserable. But the truth is: He is my loving, just, merciful, compassionate, holy, righteous, forgiving, patient Daddy. He has feelings, just like us, whether you believe it or not. And just like us, He hurts when people disrespect Him and drag His name through the mud.

    Finally, do you think God forbids sexual immorality because he wants to ruin someone’s fun and make them miserable? Is that what you think? Because let me tell you something. He forbids sexual immorality because He knows the harm that it can do. First of all, it causes people to grow up too fast. Secondly, when the immoral act is committed by a heterosexual couple it can lead to an unwanted pregnancy. And finally, there’s the fact that people who commit sexual immorality risk contracting STD’s. You may think the “live and let live; do whatever you want, so long as you don’t hurt someone else” philosophy is a good thing. But why don’t you sit down and talk to people who have paid the price for that philosophy? Because believe me. I know quite a few. And they regret having immoral sex, because they’ve faced the consequences of their actions. One couple in particular are having to grow up too fast, because they have a baby on the way … and they’re only 18 years old. So do you still think the “live and let live; so long as you don’t hurt someone else” philosophy is a good thing?

    Rann, since when did it become a bad thing to want to defend the lives of the unborn? Since when did “pro-life” = “discrimination”? Let’s get one thing straight: The lives of unborn children are just as precious as the lives of those who are outside the womb. Abortion is murder, because it results in the cruel and inhumane, premeditated deaths of human beings.

    And since when did believing that sexual immorality (pre-marital sex, adultery, homosexuality, multiple partners, etc.) amount to bigotry and discrimination? Let’s get one thing straight: It’s one thing to disagree with a person’s actions and beliefs, and to even go so far as to hate those beliefs and actions. It’s a completely different thing to hate the person who holds those beliefs or performs those actions. I hate sexual immorality, because it offends God and ruins the lives of the people who are involved in it. However, I draw the line at hating the people who commit sexually immoral acts.

    Finally, I would appreciate it if you would look up the meanings of “bigotry” and “discrimination,” before you decide to throw those two words at those who do not fall in line with your way of thinking. I find it ironic that the person who has the nerve to lecture me about open-mindedness (that was the point you were trying to make. Right, Rann.) is close-minded when it comes to a person expressing their beliefs. This is a free country, Rann. I can disagree with you all I want, and I can express my beliefs all I want. If you don’t like that, move to a country where everyone agrees with you.

  17. Yes, you can express your beliefs, but you have no right to force them on others, precisely _because_ this is a free country. Pushing for legislation based on your personal or communal beliefs is forcing them on others.

  18. What you don’t seem to understand, Linda, is that what you call ‘sexual immorality’ (homosexual relations, premarital sex etc) is, to other people, simply not a moral issue.

    Because this is a free country, and should be a free world, I should be able to have consensual sex with whomever I want. If a god exists, he/she/it can judge me for it, but the state should never do that, as it is _not_ god’s representative on Earth. Nor are you.

  19. Linda, I’m waiting with bated breath to hear you say that you are OK with making blood and organ donation mandatory for everyone, since refusing to do either of those results in people dying.

    No? People should be able to consent to being life support, you say? Oh, really.

    And thank you for enumerating in great detail exactly what makes your faith bigoted against women. Thank you for reinforcing why I left Christianity to begin with. Enforcing difference between men and women is the first step; denigrating the roles that women “must” play because we are “different” is the logical next step, and gee, wonder why we have gender inequality today?

    I am of a faith which must witness its deities referred to as demons and whores by your oh-so-tolerant religious teachings. While I sympathize with actually DECENT Christians who have never said or believed those things and who therefore were understandably upset at what Marcotte said about God and Mary, for the rest of you I have no sympathy whatsoever. Stop treating unbelievers-in-Christianity like subhuman garbage (“you’re a sinner,” “you’re going to hell,” “your deities are demons and you are misguided,” “we’re better qualified to run this country than you are,”) and I might change my mind. Never gonna happen, so suffer.

    I mean, gee. I wish MY faith had its most important holidays on the federal calendar, and that whenever someone heard the word “religion” they thought of mine, and that when someone says the phrase “people of faith” they meant those of my religious category. MUST SUCK TO BE YOU, you poor oppressed Kwistians.

  20. Few other things:

    1. How come Christians care more about sexual “immorality” than they do about any other kind of immorality, hands down? Bill Clinton cheats on his wife, it’s a constitutional crisis. George W. Bush lies to drag us into a war we didn’t want in the first place, oh, that’s OK. Just a “mistake.” Clinton didn’t kill anyone with his affair with Monica, Bush killed thousands. But Clinton’s the evil one.

    2. Most types of “sexual immorality” don’t actually result in pregnancy, much less unwanted pregnancy. Unwanted pregnancy is not limited to those procreative acts which occur outside of marriage. Married women have unwanted pregnancies too.

    3. Abortion is not limited to unwanted pregnancy. Sometimes it occurs with a very wanted pregnancy that’s gone very wrong. This is the problem I have with pro-choice liberals who speak of making abortion “safe, legal and rare.” I’m down with the first two, don’t care about the latter, because it isn’t up to me to decide when and whether someone else has an abortion.

    I mean, 4. God doesn’t even mention abortion in the Bible. In Jeremiah he tells his prophet that he knew him before J was born, but all that means is he wanted J to be born and considered him a special person and was looking out for him. The closest you can get to an abortion mention is in Numbers. God tells Moses that if two guys are fighting and they hit a pregnant woman and cause miscarriage, they are to pay the expectant father a fine. I will remind you that the penalty for murder in Mosaiac times was death by stoning. The only time that came into play in this scenario was if the *mother* died. Abortion did exist in ancient times, so this surely was not an oversight on God’s part.

    5. You don’t have the right to force YOUR beliefs on other people either. No matter how many verses in your book of fiction you can find to back you up.

  21. Well written, Raven. I can mock their “book of fiction” because to me it is just like any other book. You, on the other hand, can engage the idiots on their level.

    This is why I have so much respect for those wonderful Christians on the radical left who critique their fellow believers at a theological level. Things like capital punishment, Christian Zionism, ‘pro-lifers’ etc etc have no theological basis whatsoever. Right wing ‘Christians’ have subverted theology to justify their own murderous belief systems. Unfortunately, since most of the world’s money is on the right-wing of politics, they have also been able to delude many people into following their bullshit.

    Thank you for your words. May they begin the job of shattering those delusions.

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